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CHRRPA's Opening Remarks at the 6/22/05 LPCC Meeting
(presented by Jim Poston)
It has been twenty-six days since Opening Day on the Georgetown Loop Historic Railroad, and we look forward to the report of this Committee regarding the performance and ridership on the Railroad.
Although a member of this Committee - who is presently the Loop Park Director - said that May 28th, 2005 was "a great day for Colorado railroading", that was a single day and a single weekend. Indeed, there was steam on the Loop that day, but there are storm clouds on the horizon.
Advertising for the GLHR has been minimal at best. Compare the AAA advertising for Colorado steam tourist railroads last year - and we include the Loop - with this year’s advertising for the same railroads. Last year’s advertising for the Durango & Silverton, the Cumbres & Toltec and the Georgetown Loop included eye-catching, multi-colored, up-to-date illustrations. This year, the first two railroads have maintained their presence in the AAA guide, but the Georgetown Loop Historic Railroad is depending on the staid and somewhat unimaginative image of a historical train of a bygone era.
To GLHR’s credit, last Sunday’s "Denver Post" of June 19th included an ad larger than that of the Royal Gorge Route in Canon City.
Still, local merchants are concerned about the negative reports they’re hearing directly from passengers who have ridden the train. Too-crowded accommodations, mediocre announcements, and most importantly, passengers turned away even though they had reservations are doing nothing to enhance the image of this year’s railroad. And, with 100% of GLHR’s motive power - the steam and the diesel engine - required to pull even a six-car train, there is absolutely no margin for error, or contingency plan for breakdown outside of doubling the train and further delaying the passengers.
Two days prior to the Railroad’s opening, the same "good day (for Colorado railroading)" person mentioned above stated to several people at the Silver Plume depot that if they wanted to read something negative, then they should go to the website of the Colorado Historic Railroad Preservation Association.
In response to his very inaccurate statement, we have copies of e-mails sent to CHRRPA inquiring about reservations for riding on the Georgetown Loop. Copies of our answers are also available - polite, informative, and guiding prospective rider to the website of the Colorado Historical Society, and that of the Georgetown Loop Historic Railroad when it finally came on line.
In addition, CHRRPA has fielded at least four phone calls asking about the Loop. Those calls were answered in the same courteous and informative manner.
We now await the answers to the questions e-mailed last Friday to Joseph Bell of the Colorado Historical Society, and cc’d to LPCC Chairman Mark Graybill, well in advance of the three day lead-time requested by Mr. Bell, et al. of the Society.
Thank you.
CHRRPA Website Update
With the new operator and motive power on the Loop, we've updated our front page photo to illustrate the #12 and the #21 under way on the new edition of the Georgetown Loop.
Also, we've added a link to Megjan Murphy's excellent Courant article on the last day of operations of THE Georgetown Loop Railroad, Inc., on October 3, 2004.
To the family of GLRR, Inc., we wish you the best in all your future endeavours.
To the new family of Railstar, Inc., we wish you safe and successful operations this year, and in years to come.
CHRRPA Loop Commentary - 05/09/05
There are approximately three weeks until opening day of the 2005 edition of the Georgetown Loop Railroad and Mining Park.
In the seven months since the previous Loop operator - THE Georgetown Loop Railroad, Inc. - ceased public operations, numerous changes have taken place. All GLRR rolling stock, supporting equipment and materials have been removed from Loop property. The Colorado Historical Society and Railstar, Inc. have endeavoured to procure replacements for the upcoming season.
There have been bad words and harsh feelings among several groups and individuals; it would have been surprising if some animosity had not existed between supporters of the ‘landlord’ and supporters of the former ‘tenants’ of the property in Clear Creek County.
However, Railstar is the new operator of the Georgetown Loop, and the efforts of this company and the Colorado Historical Society have resulted in a steam locomotive, a diesel locomotive, and several passenger cars for use in what the Society is calling a ‘rebuilding’ year on the Loop.
The Colorado Historic Railroad Preservation Association has worked to inform the public of ongoing Loop events. We have received both support and negative comments regarding our efforts, but our goal has always been to obtain the facts, provide these facts to the public, hold the Loop participants accountable, question authority when authority needs to be questioned, and give kudos or criticism as required.
A special note: Railstar’s Loop GM Peter Gores must be given credit in stating his awareness and appreciation of the ‘legacy’ left behind by the previous Loop operator, the Georgetown Loop Railroad, Inc.
Early on, CHRRPA stated "Show Us The Steam Train". Our banner was displayed, photographed, and commented on quite often. Perhaps as a result, there is now a steam locomotive on the Georgetown Loop. In addition, passenger cars and staffing are in Silver Plume, and a much-needed advertising campaign is finally under way.
The Colorado Historical Society and Railstar will continue to be under the scrutiny of not only CHRRPA, but that of local businesses, the community, the tourist and railroading industries, as well as travelers and train buffs world-wide.
"The Georgetown Loop 2004-2005"is only partially written. The pages of chapters yet to come await.
All Is Told At The January 2005 Loop Park Coordination Committee Meeting
Well, sort of.
There was quite a crowd at the January 24th Loop Park Coordination Committee meeting. It was an excellent opportunity for the Colorado Historical Society and Railstar to reveal exactly what their plans were for the Georgetown Loop, especially since CHS`s Joseph Bell had clearly and publicly stated that Railstar would tell all in January 2005.
This did not happen. Instead, casual conversations and mini-reunions were par for this course. Questions regarding the ticketing/reservation system(s), Uhrich's goal for having an operable locomotive, how many people are realistically expected to ride this year and other inquiries went unasked.
Aside from brief statements from Railstar's Ron Trottier and the company's general manager, Peter Gores, the evening was a love-fest among the CHS faithful.
President Georgiana Contiguglia passed out kudos to many individuals, including:
1) Joseph “what the hell does (a boiler inspection) have to do with railroading?” Bell;
2) Rod “we're locked into the RFP process” Wolthoff; and
3) Lee “one partnership with the ([non-preservationist GLRR, Inc.) railroad is one too many” Behrens.
Missing from the list of those recognized was one very important entity: the builders and developers of the Georgetown Loop - THE Georgetown Loop Railroad, Inc.
This omission was remedied by CHRRPA's own Jim Poston. Mentioning the Ashby-Ropchan-Greksa triumvirate by name, several nods of agreement were seen among the audience. (Witnesses say that some CHS representatives were less than pleased with the GLRR-related remarks. We take note of this possibility.)
Truthfully, Mr. Trottier and Mr. Gores want to have a successful Loop operation, and in face-to-face conversations with both men, that desire seemed evident. Mr. Gores is to be commended for saying he recognizes the legacy developed by THE Georgetown Loop Railroad, Inc. and that it was vital for Railstar to perform in a top-notch manner.
Questions of motive power and passenger cars were partially answered by the Railstar contingent as well as by four photo-laden posters displayed at one end of the room.
Referring to one poster, Mr. Trottier said that Railstar has already built passenger cars at their Watertown, NY shops, and along with drop-bottom gons rebuilt by Jason Midyette, these cars would carry passengers on this new edition of the Georgetown Loop.
Power-wise, a second poster showed several small diesels, leading one to believe that internal-combustion would be the initial revenue-producer for the Loop.
However, a third poster showed a steam locomotive: Kahului Railroad #11, sister to the “speculated-as-Loop-power” Engine #12. Per Mr. Trottier, KRR #12 is in good shape, will be on the Loop in April, and has the tractive effort to pull six passenger cars on the 4% grade.
Indeed?
According to steam railroading experts with whom CHRRPA has been in contact, KRR #12 has 15,000 pounds of tractive effort and would be able to haul only two, maybe three cars on the steep and curving Georgetown Loop. Referencing the 6+ cars pulled by the previous operator's locomotives, does this mean fewer passengers per day, or more trips per day to obtain the same ridership as in previous years?
On a more positive note - again per Mr. Trottier - #12's throttle has been replaced with a `balanced' unit and the air pressure problem was due to operating the appliances at 50psi of steam, easily resolved by running the boiler at operating pressure.
Also, the boiler paperwork issue has been addressed by consultants (not Stone Consulting), though the boiler's ASME construction will need the approval of a Colorado state boiler inspector.
Fast-forwarding, the meeting was not what was expected by CHRRPA, many from the community, and at least one member of the Loop Park Coordination Committee itself!
Folks, too many questions still need answers and this will be the subject of forthcoming editorial.
In the meantime, we will press for a truly interactive LPCC meeting in the very near future, and request that both Railstar and Uhrich Locomotive Works have a representative in attendance.
Remember how the CHS said, “The Train Is Alive In 2005”?
It's 2005 now, and as we said last year:
“Show Me The Steam Train!”
141 Days and Counting
As of 8:00 AM last Monday morning (01-03-05), the status of locomotives #9 and #30 is...dismal. Unless big and busy things are happening in Marvin Uhrich's locomotive shop, progress from the photos on this website has been minimal.
As of Monday, the only apparent work done since the photographs were taken was the removal of the flues and driving rods on the two locomotives, and #9 is now closer the Uhrich's "Quonset hut" building. None of #9's boiler-mounted brackets have been removed; per Phil Reader of THE Georgetown Loop Railroad, the brackets need to be removed to inspect for corrosion between them and the boiler.
#9's tender made it to Strasburg, COLORADO, having been shipped there from Antonito after the discovery/admission of asbestos on said tender. The tender is in very bad shape, hence the decision (by CHS? Railstar? Uhrich?) to use #30's much more serviceable tender behind the 2-6-0. (Will #9's tender ever be restored, or will the same fate befall it as it has other CHS Loop-related projects?)
Joseph Bell of the Colorado Historical Society said Uhrich will be working extra shifts to get a steam engine ready for this year's Loop operation. Yes, Monday was a post-New Year's Monday morning, but there were no signs of `extra shifts' in Strasburg.
Can it be done in 141 days? Possibly, but that assumes that a steam locomotive has been properly restored (no shot at you, Mr. Uhrich), properly tested and broken in, and actually operated on the Loop to assure a SAFE 2005 season.
By the way, the Railstar/CHS 'website' is now up. Visit www.georgetownlooprr.com and see what you think. Any mention of steam??? (And, check for speling erors - their are three.)
How firm a grip does Railstar have on the ears of the rabbit they're gonna pull out of the hat?
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We were beside ourselves with pride when Mr. Lindsey Ashby recited most of the following as part of his speech during the gathering of the Loop's 530 closest friends for the occasion of the last trip on the Loop, Sunday, October 3, 2004.
"An End of an Era"
October 2, 2004
Within the next thirty-six hours the Georgetown Loop Railroad, Inc. will be dropping the fires on three decades of excellent and historic mountain railroading.
From a trackless, abandoned right-of-way, the Railroad took the steps necessary to rebuild the former Colorado Central narrow-gauge line into a safe and successful operation that has drawn thousands of passengers literally from all over the world.
There have definitely been challenges - obtaining the equipment, hiring the people, polishing the rough spots and maintaining the smooth ones, and taking care of the myriad details required to run a railroad. An organization that runs as smoothly and as professionally as the Railroad has taken care of the small stuff to prevent the ‘big stuff’ from happening.
A railroad is not just the machinery, it is also the people. Locomotives, railroad cars, tracks, and shop equipment are just so much metal, wood and fabric. The heartbeat of this Railroad is those individuals who’ve poured their hearts, souls and careers into making the Railroad an unqualified success. Steam and sweat, oil and muscle, and probably even a little blood all came together, resulting in a whole that is greater than the sum of its parts.
GLRR alumni will be present this weekend. They may be from other parts of the country, or from other parts of the world, but the connection these people have with each other will never be forgotten.
It has been has been my pleasure and honor to have been welcomed by the Georgetown Loop Railroad, Inc. family. Each and every person I’ve met has been courteous, friendly, and most of all, enthusiastic about their job. This reflects commendably not only on those individuals, but on Railroad management as well.
Thank you, and best wishes to the Railroad and to its people. You are, and always will be, a memorable part of Colorado history.
Jim Poston, President, Colorado Historic Railroad Preservation Association
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August 2004
Rod Wolthoff, attorney for the Colorado Historical Society, has publicly stated that the Colorado Historical Society is locked in to the negotiations with Railstar, and that RFP and Colorado law prohibits the stopping or dismissal of those talks.
Here are the Colorado RFP statutes clearly stating the options available to CHS for terminating talks with Railstar.
(Note: The Colorado Historic Railroad Preservation Association has absolutely nothing against Railstar or any of its employees. Our concern is the path that CHS is taking to replace the proven Georgetown Loop Railroad, Inc., from an extremely successful operation and replace them with an apparently sincere, but perhaps under-informed, new concessionaire.)
RFP-MR-RAILROAD-05:
Page 6/Paragraph (U): RFP Cancellation: The state reserves the right to cancel this Request for Proposal at any time, without penalty.
Page 7/Paragraph (Y): Rejection of Proposals: The State of Colorado reserves the right to reject any or all proposals and to waive informalities and minor irregularities in proposals received and to accept any portion of a proposal or all items proposed if deemed in the best interest of the State of Colorado.
Page 7/Paragraph (BB): Contract Cancellation: The State reserves the right to cancel, for cause, any contract resulting from this RFP by providing timely written notice to the contactor.
ALSO
Colorado Revised Statutes:
24-103-301. Cancellation of invitations for bids or requests for proposals.
An invitation for bids, a request for proposals, or any other solicitation may be cancelled or any or all bids or proposals may be rejected in whole or in part as may be specified in the solicitation when it is in the best interests of the state pursuant to rules. The reasons therefor shall be made part of the contract file
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From the CHRRPA: The Colorado Historical Society CAN drop negotiations with Railstar.
To Mr. Wolthoff, counsel to the CHS, and Ms. Contiguglia, CHS President, would you please show us your reference(s) stating that negotiations can, or must, continue?
To the general public: Why is the Colorado Historical Society insisting on continuing down this path when common sense AND preserving Colorado's history dictate otherwise?
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